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	<title>Comments on: Punk and amazement</title>
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		<title>By: pals on punk &#171; Soup Greens</title>
		<link>http://soupgreens.com/2010/07/03/punk-and-amazement/comment-page-1/#comment-13417</link>
		<dc:creator>pals on punk &#171; Soup Greens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jul 2010 23:43:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] punk vs the people [...]</description>
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		<title>By: victor</title>
		<link>http://soupgreens.com/2010/07/03/punk-and-amazement/comment-page-1/#comment-13120</link>
		<dc:creator>victor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jul 2010 22:55:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>well, to split some hairs I saw both the pistols and the clash (and the ramones for that matter) and they definitely had guitar solo breaks but point taken wrt to attitude, esp. at the very early stages. (Note that no matter how &quot;bad&quot; a group of musicians are, if they go on the road for 5 years they can&#039;t help but get proficient at their craft no matter what their attitude is.)

2nd: The whole musical backlash thing (&quot;we&#039;re not Yes/King Crimson/Foghat/etc.&quot;) reached even &quot;real&quot; musicians - Elvis Costello came very close to not hiring Bruce Thomas because he admitted to liking Steely Dan.

but my point was that punk was not just another musical genre in the UK - there it had mass, numbers and broad cultural impact. Punk, like reggae, didn&#039;t happen in the US because, really, there was nothing about  to relate to - these were someone else&#039;s fight (having said that, don&#039;t ask me to explain the rise of &quot;urban&quot; hip hop amongst suburban boys lol)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well, to split some hairs I saw both the pistols and the clash (and the ramones for that matter) and they definitely had guitar solo breaks but point taken wrt to attitude, esp. at the very early stages. (Note that no matter how &#8220;bad&#8221; a group of musicians are, if they go on the road for 5 years they can&#8217;t help but get proficient at their craft no matter what their attitude is.)</p>
<p>2nd: The whole musical backlash thing (&#8220;we&#8217;re not Yes/King Crimson/Foghat/etc.&#8221;) reached even &#8220;real&#8221; musicians &#8211; Elvis Costello came very close to not hiring Bruce Thomas because he admitted to liking Steely Dan.</p>
<p>but my point was that punk was not just another musical genre in the UK &#8211; there it had mass, numbers and broad cultural impact. Punk, like reggae, didn&#8217;t happen in the US because, really, there was nothing about  to relate to &#8211; these were someone else&#8217;s fight (having said that, don&#8217;t ask me to explain the rise of &#8220;urban&#8221; hip hop amongst suburban boys lol)</p>
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		<title>By: gurdonark</title>
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		<dc:creator>gurdonark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jul 2010 22:56:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very good post. 

The key, to me, is for a music to evolve which both permits complete participation and provides scope for instrumental virtuosity. I suspect this music will involve software synthesizers, but also give scope to 
new Yngwie&#039;s. The hip hop folks understood in an earlier time that they could use electronica and manipulation of samples to tell a populist story not embedded in amber. I envision an electronic future that looks a lot like 1960s Folkways magazine crossed with Stevie Ray Vaughan goes to Berklee thermodynamics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very good post. </p>
<p>The key, to me, is for a music to evolve which both permits complete participation and provides scope for instrumental virtuosity. I suspect this music will involve software synthesizers, but also give scope to<br />
new Yngwie&#8217;s. The hip hop folks understood in an earlier time that they could use electronica and manipulation of samples to tell a populist story not embedded in amber. I envision an electronic future that looks a lot like 1960s Folkways magazine crossed with Stevie Ray Vaughan goes to Berklee thermodynamics.</p>
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		<title>By: Lucas Gonze</title>
		<link>http://soupgreens.com/2010/07/03/punk-and-amazement/comment-page-1/#comment-13112</link>
		<dc:creator>Lucas Gonze</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jul 2010 22:16:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You mean that punk didn&#039;t do away with solos outside the US, Victor?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You mean that punk didn&#8217;t do away with solos outside the US, Victor?</p>
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		<title>By: victor</title>
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		<dc:creator>victor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jul 2010 23:20:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>probably true, esp. &quot;people want to be amazed by virtuosos&quot; - but I claim this whole piece is very US-centric.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>probably true, esp. &#8220;people want to be amazed by virtuosos&#8221; &#8211; but I claim this whole piece is very US-centric.</p>
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